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Nobody give me sin for this
That’s reason why I try both
This is all that’s old, I can see a thousand times of this
Out against mental illness
Out against mental illness
Some of the themes covered in here are ranging on all sorts of mental health issues, panic attacks, depression, suicide, autistic meltdown, shutdown, you name it, it’s all there
So if that’s going to bother you, a particularly raw and personal depiction of that, then please shuffle on or go back and listen to the previous episode or go and listen to something cheerful
Or don’t listen to anything at all, go and listen to the birds cheap outside your window
I’ll see you all again soon folks, good luck with this one, bye
Out against mental illness
So it’s worth me rewinding a bit to explain what it is I’m just about to recite to you all
So I started this podcast in 2024, so last year, just over a year ago, around May
And it was in the midst of one of the most profound mental health crises I’ve ever had and I’ve had a few
And I’m not going to go into yet again into what precipitated that and why I found myself in such a position
If you go and listen to various bits of this podcast from the past, yeah you’ll get all of that, all of that sorry story
But lots of positive things came out of that rather unpleasant episode, one of which I have a podcast
The other one is, I wrote a little book, it’s called The Fool
It really is a very short book of paintings that I have made and words that I have matched with them
That all sort of tumbled out, I guess, probably this time last year
Let me have a look, have I got a date in this? Was I that forward thinking?
It just says copyright 2024 by Alex Loveless, that’s me people
So probably this time last year and it really started off as me feeling like I needed some sort of catalogue of my work to put on my website
So that people had something to download and that maybe I could print out and have exhibitions and stuff
And it was somewhat ill-conceived in retrospect, that wasn’t a particularly great idea
And I think that the general consensus is that taking along leaflets and cards and brochures to exhibitions is actually counterproductive
But that’s for another day
So I started trying to sort of, I took some pieces and I started trying to think about what words I would put with them
And ended up, it ended up as an outpouring of emotion, of the frustration and the anger and the sadness
And the general emotional turmoil I was feeling at the time
And every time I picked out another piece it resonated with me in a slightly different way
And I ended up just dumping these words down without really thinking about it
And sort of going with the flow as I tend to do
And about six paintings through this process I looked back and I went, well firstly this isn’t a brochure
Secondly, these almost look like poems
And thirdly, it had taken on the shape of a narrative that both represented the state of mind I was in when I made those paintings
Because they were painted scattered throughout my more recent years as an artist
But also my current predicament and the current arc of my life I felt like I was recounting it
It became very autobiographical
So as you’re going to hear, I sort of take on characters as in the characters in my paintings for each piece
I bounce between the genders and the voices and so on
They could be taken as standalone pairings
And indeed you can take either the painting or the words as standalone as well
And although they read reasonably well as a narrative, if not a slightly abstract disjointed one
But all of the characters in here, all of the main protagonists that turn up are all just avatars of me
And various other people in my life make appearances if in a very abstract sense and they represent them
And when I had that realisation that this was really somewhat of a narrative
The final pieces all fell together
And I selected the artworks that seemed like they would complete that
And tried to sculpt the third act if you will
And to round it off so it felt like it finished rather than just hung
And I sort of put it away for a bit thinking, wow that was a bit indulgent
And then took it out again and reread and I thought actually this is quite affecting
I’m not a person for words in that sense
I’m quite articulate and I can express myself but I’m not a poet
I’m not particularly poetic, I’m not amazing with metaphors
I didn’t even know if these were poems
And so the original intro to this book proclaims very specifically that they’re not
But since I unleashed it upon the world
Several people who know and love their poetry have said that they are definitely poems
And several people have said they’re good
I don’t see how that’s possible since I’ve written about ten poems in my whole life
I don’t read much poetry because I’m dyslexic and I find it really hard to pass them
So the idea that I could just rock up and write some poetry and it be decent seems nonsensical to me
But I’ll take the credit, I’ll take the praise
Because whether they’re great, you know, Keatsian, Yeatsian poems, Wordsworth and so on
Or not, you know, I doubt they are
But if they affected anyone, if they resonated with anyone then I don’t really care whether they were good or not
And they seem to resonate with lots of people and to some people very, very profoundly
And people after reading these would come up to me and say, I think I understand you much better now
And I understand myself because I’ve been through similar experiences and you helped me make sense of those
And that’s very touching and very amazing, which is part of the reason I’m sharing these here
I did release it, I have self-printed, well, vanity published hard copies but not many
And it has a cover and it has inner sleeve notes, I don’t know what you call these things, I’m not in publishing
But it’s got all the paintings in it and it’s got all the words in it and it says copyright, Alex
And it was said first published in 2004 and it makes it all look a little bit like a proper book
But it’s just me saying some stuff
I haven’t sold many, it’s been distributed reasonably widely in PDF form
I will include a link to the PDF in the show notes if you want to go and look at that
I’m not the next Stephen King or anything, this has not been seen by millions of people
And it probably never will be, but I wanted to share this because I think, especially with some of the things I’m saying on this podcast
Little projects like this that come out of nowhere are so vital and important to the process
And things that you just do because you feel that you need to do them often turn out to be some of the best things you’ve ever done
And if you asked me to recreate this, you said here’s another portion of your life, can you do the same thing?
I’m not sure I’d be able to, this was very stream of consciousness
And I don’t really want to try, I’m not ruling out ever doing poetry again
But I think if I did this again I’d be so self-conscious
It would either not get done or it would turn out to be actual drivel or dog roll as poet enthusiasts like to call it
And given that I don’t really know how I managed it in the first place, I’m very hesitant to do that
I have actually read these aloud before, some of them anyway, an open mic night locally and they went down pretty well
And so I’m going to read them to you, I’ll intro each one individually with a quick description of the painting so you can make a bit more sense of it
But other than that I’m just going to plough in and get on with it
And I don’t think this is an enjoyable journey by any stretch
But hopefully you might find it a cathartic journey or you might take something away from it that makes you feel a bit better about yourself
Or maybe there’s some turns of phrase in here that resonate with you, whatever
But this is a piece of me, probably about as raw as it gets
So I hope it doesn’t terrify you and I’ll see you soon for hopefully the next episode, the next part of my momentum series
Right, here I go, I’m reading this from the book itself so you can hear the pages and stuff
I’ll quickly read the introduction, it kind of repeats what I’ve said but I might as well be thorough here
Right, introduction, this is a collection of pictures of my artworks with some words to accompany them
The artworks weren’t made to be accompanied by words but since I have little or no mind’s eye I think about these pictures in terms of words and emotions
So I’ve tried to write both down
Although each is a story in its own right, there’s a narrative of sorts, perhaps a journey that runs through them
This may only be visible to me though, it’s not a happy journey but it is a real one
Many of the humans depicted in these artworks are avatars of me, regardless of the gender and regardless that most of them depict real humans that have existed and in some cases continue to exist
The pictures and words herein are pieces of me
They are raw, intimate, confessional, angry, despondent, joyous, confused, desperate and probably a bunch of other things
They are messages to myself from past iterations of me, they are sacrifices at the altar of my mental illness
They are yours now, interpret them how you wish
Oh here we go, Alex Loveless, April 24
Wow, I did this in April
Oh, I did this before I even started the podcast
Wow, there you go
First, the first painting, this is David, so this is probably my single most personal prized paintings that are unlikely to ever sell
It’s one of the earliest I did of my recent reprisal as an artist and it depicts Boris Karloff as Frankenstein who’s a consistent avatar of me in my paintings
Indeed, it was also the avatar for the earlier episodes of this podcast, different painting
He’s depicted in pasto, day glow, fluorescent oranges and pinks and blues
Over a collage of bits torn out of magazines and stuff and newspapers
And you can just sort of see words poking through saying where to begin, label, nerves, broken, I’m broken
And lots of smaller things that I can’t read on here, but it’s quite a big piece
So if you ever see it, you can go up close and read them
It’s called David because it’s my dad’s middle name and it’s also my eldest son’s middle name
And it speaks to a sort of a line, a continuum of the males in my family who depict very similar presentations of autism and ADHD
And I sort of felt like I was creating a connection there and this painting’s very much about ADHD because it was painted soon after my initial ADHD diagnosis
And it just sort of flowed out like the rest of the words in this
And it was a bit of, you know, one of my earliest realisations of art as therapy
So here we go
David, a jagged line scratched through flaking plaster traces a root through generations
Father, son, brother, sister, children, of minds at war with themselves
A 43-year-old man is scared and confused, prescriptions, pills
He stands in front of a canvas
An image emerges depicting a human created from bits of other humans
His journey begins
Right, the next one is called The Others
Says this was painted in 2022
Well this is from a picture of Carol Lombard who was in the 1920s, 1930s silent movie actress
Probably among the most photogenic humans who ever lived
And she’s looking pensive and she’s got her hand on her chest just under her chin
Depicted in somewhat art, nouveau art deco style with very pronounced lines, a little bit Alphonse Mutcher
And in sort of mainly blues and greens and a bit of cyan and lots of cyan actually
And all behind her she’s got these, like a cluster of archetypal alien faces of the type
You know, the close encounters type, some of them look like emojis, some of them look a bit cute, some of them look quite disturbing
And it very much is an expression of my feeling
Of being an autistic person in a neurodivergent world and all of these almost alien beings
The neurotypical people peering in at me and looking at me like I’m some sort of, and I’m an alien to them
So here we go, the others
They say that the eyes are windows through which they must peer to see what lies beneath
They say that you must sit still to show that you are present and attentive
That you must not talk about yourself, what you love, only what interests others
You must be more like them, but not too much
They say, they say, they say they are looking, seeing, curious, but they only want a mirror
Who is trapped inside that mirror?
Who have you engaged to make you master and what have they lost to give you peace?
Okay, the next one’s called Somebody
This depicts, it’s from a picture of a photo of Mia Farrow from Rosemary’s Baby
Which is quite a haunting film in its own right
And a book, but I’ve never read the book
It’s depicted in complimentary sort of purples and mauves and yellows and oranges
And she’s sort of sitting there looking nervous, clutching her bag
Very sort of stark, bright highlights on her face and hair
And she’s depicted quite almost a little bit expressionistically, but still realistic
And behind her there’s lots of cuttings of people from magazines that are smiling, just smiley faces
Mostly women, and I don’t know about anyone else
But to me, I can see those smiles are fake
That they’re only doing them for the camera
And it’s always felt a little bit to me like when someone smiles for the camera like that
That they’re fake, they’re lying
And that it bothers me that no one else seems to be able to perceive that these people are lying
When you see me smile, it’s almost always because I’m feeling good or happy or comfortable
I can’t really smile on demand
It doesn’t look good and I feel weird and it feels ingenuine
So this one’s called Somebody
Those smiles are not real
They’re glances, words, mannerisms cast effortlessly
Chip away little pieces of her that are invisible to them
They add to a thousand stinging cuts, invisible cuts
Pain is invisible too, she thinks
But if they could see the wounds, they would have sympathy
Assume the pain, pay attention, offer help
But they don’t see her snicked skin
Or the ruthlessly tender swells of prior damage only part healed
They only see her as aloof and broadcast their disdain, or worse, indifference
Somebody just trying to protect herself from further damage
Right, this next one’s called Dissociation
It’s a long, tall piece that depicts a scene from
Dracula’s Daughter
Which is a 1930s horror film
It just depicts a lady looking a little bit terrified
Certainly very worried
With her hand up to her face
It’s all in blues, blacks with some oranges
And stark contrast and thick lines
And there’s lots of scribbles of writing behind it
And a few bits of comic strips and stuff
I don’t have this painting to hand
I can’t read the writing, but if memory serves it was just random outpourings
And my writing’s largely illegible anyway, certainly as to me
This is about just being out there in public and effectively
You know, that feeling you get before a panic attack hits you
That feeling that something’s not right
And that the world starts to waver
And starts to feel like an alien, weird and scary place
And you have no idea why
So here we go, Dissociation
The world quavers, like a record skipping or a stream briefly buffering
It’s not dizziness, the disturbance is with the world
Reality twitched, she merely observed
But why? Again, a twitch, longer this time
She checks her environment, humans, lots of them
Coming and going, surging back and forth like waves on a beach
This then is the cause of the twitch
The world is too much, her mind tries to detach itself again
She looks for a bench, somewhere to rest and a respite
Twitch, twitch
Right, this next one is a self-portrait of sorts
It’s called signal equals noise
It’s a picture of me, I appear to be wearing no clothes
But I’m swimming, I’ve got at least a pants on under there
I’m sort of curled up almost in a ball
Like sitting cross-legged and with my head down
So you can’t see my face, so it could be anyone
But I don’t tend to have a model, so it’s definitely going to be me
And it’s got no hair
And there’s sort of circles and geometry around it
But behind it is a whole bunch of Twitter feeds
And it was Twitter, not X
And I can see Boris Johnson in there
And Guardian article and various other things
And I think these were actually taken from my Twitter feed
Very much as an expression of how this particular type of window into the world was making me feel
And I found myself constantly worried and distressed
When really most of the stuff that was coming in was just mindless noise
And the algorithm was just trying to bait me into having an emotional reaction
So I would stay on their platform
But it precipitated me falling into a particularly bad state
Although I was smart enough to turn off my social feeds
When things started to get really bad last year
This sort of depicts the early parts of that realisation
So here we go, signal equals noise
He calls in on himself, folding and folding because there is nowhere else to retreat
The pressure comes from everywhere at once
From every direction
From outside and from within
He must find new directions in which to retreat
New dimensions
Crevices made from unworldly angles
Splitting and dividing into countless quantum morsels
An infinity of a human mind
Now an origami of infinite focus
A point of perfect distress
Impossible to observe but boundless in its gravity
I loved being able to introduce some of the concepts of physics
Quantum physics and geometry and maths into both my writing and my painting
It amuses me
This next one is called Meltdown
The painting is adapted from a photo from, I think it’s Evil Dead
But it might be Evil Dead 2
This is Bruce Campbell playing the legendary Ash
The protagonist in all the first wave of Evil Dead films
They’ve since been reimagined or rebooted
With I believe a female protagonist but I’ve not seen them
This one was actually called Meltdown No. 2
There’s four Meltdown paintings
This one shows Ash sort of looking up to the sky with a contorted face
In one of his various on-screen Meltdowns
Because he’s being pursued constantly by very odd undead beings
Saying things like, I swallow your soul, I swallow your soul
They’re quite brilliant films but they’re not for the faint-eyed
They are way better than they sound on paper
I recommend them for anyone who likes a bit of horror
This one and all of those paintings were very very specifically about the feeling
And the act of having a Meltdown
Which is not as people think it is tantrum
It’s a total loss of control
So reaction to loss of control and autonomy
A complete loss of spoons
A total loss of self-control
Due to overstimulation or an environment that we’re no longer capable of dealing with
And they can manifest in lots of different ways with lots of people
Some people just go very quiet and non-verbal
I’ll do that after basically exploding with substances and noise
It’s really really unpleasant and it’s even worse for the people around me
I don’t get violent but I do get very distressed
So this one’s called Meltdown
The storm was brewing for days, weeks perhaps, but he didn’t notice
He didn’t see the anvil, its menacing shadow on the horizon
He wasn’t looking up, only down, pushing forward through the brambles and the mud
Knowing only that he must keep going
When the storm came it caught him off guard
It came from within and forced an eternity of too much out of every pore and orifice
Snotty and acidic
Those around him had no time to take cover
When finally it was over he knew it would not be the last
He now saw all the anvils, rough beasts slouching towards him
I was having perhaps several meltdowns a day at that point
And panic attacks as well sometimes at the same time
That final line is a reference to a homage to
W.B. Yates’ Second Coming
Which is arguably my favourite poem of all time
I don’t have lots of favourite poems but it would be the top of my little pile
Even though it is incredibly dark
The next one is called The Fool
Which is what the book is called
This one depicts, well this is actually from a picture of Janet Lee
And that is, I think that’s Robert Newman
I don’t remember what film it’s from
He’s depicted Din, the very Art Deco style
He’s predicted almost blending into the background
She’s much more prominent and almost glowing
And they’re on the background of yellows
And the whole thing is mostly yellows and ochres and a bit of brown and black
And some oranges
And I made the base of the canvas by taking bits and pieces of leaves
And stuff from around my garden and putting them on the canvas and then spraying them
And so it really evokes an autumn feel of leaves on the ground
Hence The Fool
But The Fool is both metaphorical and actual
And sort of pretty much depicts the most unpleasant section of this
And it’s also a bit of a love letter, a thank you letter to my wife
Who had to deal with all of this
Just as much as I did
Here we go The Fool
She cradles him, hoping, pleading that he doesn’t fall again
It’s like cradling, comforting, a grenade, she thinks
Let me not slip the pin, please
There will be buds again, regrowth, she knows this, there must be
For now, withered and spent pieces of him fall slowly to the earth
For the wind to toss around
She would sweep them away, but so many drift down she worries that they’ll be buried by them
This is really dark, isn’t it? I’m sorry people
Feel free to skip on to the next episode
Right, this one’s called Shut Down
This one has the other painting avatar of Boris Karloff’s Frankenstein
The one that was used for the original cover of this podcast
It shows him with his hands holding up to his face looking very distressed
In just blues and the odd bit of indigo and mauve
Lit from underneath with the words shut down and slightly less visible
The words please, please, please are any outside and help written on the bottom
Shut Down is another issue, particularly predominant with neurodivergent people
Where things have got so bad we retreat inwards
And become less responsive and less capable of functioning as a human
It may look like we’re calmer, but it’s really not a nice place to be
So here we go, Shut Down
It came after the storms, so many storms, electric and accurate
Insinuating all his cells, infecting and corrupting his spirit
They, the others, had asked too much
Obedience and conformity, to be like them, day in, day out, like a performing squirrel
When it came it was not a relief, was not a respite, it was more of the same
But now coming from within him, he shuts himself down, he shuts them out
The war continues, and it continued, it did
Don’t worry folks, we’re nearly over
Right, the next one, this one’s sad as well
They’re all sad
This one’s called Black Dog
This is a painting of our now sadly departed dog, Ollie
He was a huge ex-racing greyhound
Who was lovely, but worshipped me
And wouldn’t leave me alone
I had a slightly better sweet relationship with him
Because I can’t be round another being all the time
Especially if that being is tuned so well into my state of mind as Ollie always was
Because I’m hyper empathic, so I get into empathy feedback loops
And at this point in my life that was not helpful
And I do miss him, he was amazing
But I’ve got a picture of him here, it’s all black and white with some brownish tones in it
It depicts him lying down on the floor looking up with his doleful eyes
He was probably quite happy at that point, but he looked sad
It’s over lots of cuttings of pictures from men’s magazines and also from medication
And you can see words like brave, enjoy every minute, failure, act, reality, envy, win
And over the top of it, along the edge it says, I have no reason to be unhappy
And this is really about male mental health
Both my mental health and the wider subject of men, mental health
Having to live up to unrealistic social expectations
And the constant and unrelenting problem of male depression and male suicide
That seems to other people to come out of nowhere
But comes from, and it’s not just men but this is about men
It comes from trying to seem or be strong and not feeling able to express it
And not feeling allowed to express that, and it just builds up
And the black dog is a metaphor for depression
So here we go, black dog
I ain’t got time to bleed, he thinks, hoping, pleading that his fortitude and resilience will be enough
But knowing he only delays the inevitable
My resilience got me here, he tells her, buried this deep
I needed to make the time to bleed
But where was that time? When did the earth stop spinning?
When did everyone pause all at once and give me a little space to suffer in peace, to heal?
But there must be progress, momentum, important things, more important than me
Who has time to bleed, to risk being left behind or washed away?
We believe regardless, the black dog waits patiently
This is the last one
I hope this one feels a little bit more positive
It does for me, but other people felt like I ended on quite a bleak note
I guess it’s all how you frame it
The picture is, this is actually a picture of a movie star
How do I look that up?
It’s Gary Cooper
I should remember that, it’s the Gary Cooper that isn’t the British boxer
So I think Gary Cooper was gay
I don’t know, I need to double check that
This is just him looking downwards and to my left
looking sort of forlorn and sad
and there’s lots of different colours
mainly sort of oranges and yellows and reds
but with some blues splattered over the canvas
that dripped down behind his face
It just dribbles and drips
It took me almost no time to do this
I really quite like it
It’s just another depiction of male sadness
but maybe he looks a bit more resilient there
a little bit more determined
It’s called ordinary
Here we go
An ordinary day, that is enough
Nothing good, nothing bad, nothing special
An ordinary moment, a moment of peace is all it will take
An unexceptional instant, a gift, a blessing
I’ll take it, I’ll take that moment and multiply it by 10
10,000, 10 infinities
It’s still just a moment, still ordinary
but more so
like every other ordinary moment
and all the others too
There we go
So that one
has a very strong waft of Zen
There is only one moment and it is this one
and when that moment is painful
it can be hard to accept that fact
but when these bad moments can yield beautiful things
and when you can survive and come out the other side
and take something away from it
every moment was worth it
and every moment is worth hanging around for
Just keep hanging on people
and keep using creativity to improve your life
If you’re in a dark place like I was then
I hope you’ve got someone around for you
People who can support you
I was so lucky and so blessed to be surrounded by so many amazing people
Thank you all, I love you all
but not everyone is so fortunate
and it’s worth noting that this can happen to someone like me
who’s considered quite resilient
despite the fact that I’ve got a strong support network
Life happens and our brains don’t always play ball
If you’re suffering in silence, don’t
It’s not worth it
Go find someone to talk to
Go talk to someone you can trust
or go try and find some professional or service who can help you
There’s lots of things out there
I don’t think I’m a particularly good source for this
Go and find support
Just remember that every moment matters
Every moment you’re alive matters to someone
Every moment you’re alive is a moment to cherish
and a moment that you can bring some light into someone else’s life
Also remember that people exist to help other people
We’re not just a network of individuals
We’re a society, we have communities
People want to help people who are struggling
They get a lot out of it
Don’t be afraid to ask
People care about you, people want to help you
and there’s lots and lots of places to support people
who are truly incredible out there
that are ready and willing to help you
So don’t suffer in silence
and I promise you you’ll come out the other end
Things will look so much better like they have for me
But that’s enough of that for now
What I need to do is go back to the beginning of this
and record a content morning because
I forgot just how bleak that was
Right, I’m going to go and hide in my studio for a bit
and try and remember actually my life right now is pretty damn good
So see you all again soon
and stay chill folks, stay happy
Bye
Ask against mental illness